The challenge of finding peace in Lourdes

Perhaps you have complete trust or confidence in what you say is right also???? thats faith my friend....call me a liar, but that is blind faith.........

Oh..thank goodness a new page.......lol

Comic,,,,,,,,no funny business hey?

ok, I promise....gonna sit here in the corner and shut the ....up.....

quote Yes, I would like everybody to see that blind faith is wrong. Unquote.....


Its always easy to fall into ones own trap........

ok, I cannot be still, ok...
I am sorry, WF.....I really did not mean to be rude....if that's how you saw it....

science
n noun
1 the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
2 a systematically organized body of knowledge on any subject. Is not Christianity/Atheism exactly this?????
3 archaic knowledge.
ORIGIN
Middle English: from Old French, from Latin scientia 'knowledge', from scire 'know'.


come on Warre......

Oh damit theres the word knowledge again........pmsl

Then perhaps you did not read and understand clearly what I have written.....I cant help that.

1. Where does religion involve 'systematized observation and experiment" ???
That is exactly what religion is.....why are you unable to see that?


Concise Oxford 11th Edition......On religion....2 a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
If that is not systemized observation....then I don't know......

as to the experiment, people follow the faith to see where it leads....thats an experiment....they dont KNOW the result....

I could go on here, but I see there is no point.......

oh I am so relieved .....these circles are so tiresome, dontya think, Drew......

Drewberryboy wrote:

Then perhaps you did not read and understand clearly what I have written.....I cant help that.

1. Where does religion involve 'systematized observation and experiment" ???
That is exactly what religion is.....why are you unable to see that?

Then show me how the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, three "persons", are not three, but one.
Show me how one can come to that end result by systematized observation and experiment.

"Systematized observation and experiment" is exactly the oposite of religion that is based on blind faith ...
Why are you not able to understand that ... ???

Drewberryboy wrote:

Concise Oxford 11th Edition......On religion....2 a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
If that is not systemized observation....then I don't know......

We clearly differ on what systematised observation entails DBB ...
It may be "a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion" yes,
but that is not a proper definition for science at all.

FROM: wikipedia

Science (from the Latin scientia, 'knowledge'), in the broadest sense, refers to any systematic knowledge or practice. In a more restricted sense, science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research.

Science busies itself with the natural, not the supernatural as do religion.
Why are you not able to understand that ... ???

Drewberryboy wrote:

as to the experiment, people follow the faith to see where it leads....thats an experiment....they dont KNOW the result....

Bull crap man ... that is not experiment ... that is gamble ...

Drewberryboy wrote:

I could go on here, but I see there is no point.......

You once asked me what it is that I believe and I gave you an answer ...
May I now know what it is that you believe DBB ... ???

With pleasure Warre....I'm not sure what I believe and what I don't...Does anybody unblindly or blindly, know the answers? No, of course we don't.

Most of the human conscious (spelling) existence is based on assumption and experience....We can mostly only know what we do, based on our experience, or shared experience (and we know where that can lead) i.e......1+1+1=3 Who said so? Mathematics is a tool, not a fact....If you understand my reasoning here, you will see that 1+1+1 only equals 3 because 1 has a value...That value is not a fact, it's not even tangeable....It's a concept....Now how does one prove a concept exactly???? Get my drift????....The same rule applies to the Trinity....It's a concept for fooks sake...We cant for that matter prove our own existnce on this planet....If you really want to take it that far.... Or that we even see colours the same way or feel things the same way.......How do you explain that?

So to answer your question on the Trinity, perhaps you are able to understand that 1+1+1=3 or 1....It depends on the value of 1 (if the value of one is 1 third) (or in other words three things can add up to one)(or god the father God the Spirit and God The Sun are one but in three parts) in this case 1 is the same as 1 is the same as 1 and equals 1 or 3 (if you cut an Eves' apple into 3 parts what do you have, Oranges? or Apple?) hehehehe
It's not that complicated....Also not to be confused, is the word persons, with person....have a look at the context in which the word persons is used to make it a bit clearer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_%28religion%29

To your question "Systematized observation and experiment" is exactly the oposite of religion that is based on blind faith ...
Why are you not able to understand that ... ???
Is it? If you have the time you can study anthroposophy, you will find some answers there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophy

Science busies itself with the natural, not the supernatural as do religion.
Why are you not able to understand that ... ??? Would you like the short or the long version?
I am able to understand that you do not believe it, therefor to you it does not exist.
Do you honestly think scientists do NOT study the paranormal or in your words supernatural??????
I think you are wrong my friend. If it did not exist, what are they studying...yep, here we are again...NOTHING??? Not fooking likely!

Science busies itself with the natural, not the supernatural as do religion.
Why are you not able to understand that ... ???

Understand this Warre.....

This is how science works, There's a question and science investigates it. You
can't draw a line and say, no, that's outside of science. Science
doesn't have any boundaries in what it can investigate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics heres another...k...I'm bored with this now.....

hiya , all ... interesting debate on 1+1+1= 1 ... but so simple ... certainly all will agree that even us (we) also consist of 1) a body 2) a mind and 3) a soul ? ... Yet, we are one person /dog /cat/ ... for those who believe that there is an animal kingdom as well ...

And , great , that it brings us to NOTHING which can be (something ) (like the atom which is actually nothing ) but can be something in its destructiveness ( which brings us back to nothing) ...

We have to accept that 0 is also a value because when the temperature drops to 0 it snows (so something happens at nothing , notably at 0 , but in real cold countries we may have even minus 40 degrees at nothing .... gosh , me thinx we can go on and on and on starting from the alpha to the omega and beyond.

Hey you two....Get a room....

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The "body", "mind" and "soul" are one according to you ... ???

... yes , it is ... I shall elaborate on that later ... Actually this is part of my thesis .. so, actually not to be discussed as of now. Ideas can still be used /"stolen" before it is copyrighted .

I can , however, refer you to the book written by Watchman Nee , "The Spiritual Man" ... I have referred you to this book before ... but it seems you have not read it ...

See also Einstein ... Science without religion is lame ....

He also throwing garbage around as per usual? hehehehehe .. sometimes he did , yep ... but in the later years ... he stopped throwing garbage around and saw the Light ...

Remember , time and tide waits for no man ... whether you believe or not ...

As to your atom ... it has protons and neutrons ... so what . ... so has the Triune ... the All in One ... A father , a Son and a Holy Spirit ... "acting as One "... gloss , it that so difficult to understand ? ... see also the references that Drew supplied on the Wikipedia-site ...

Your atom consists of a space .. it's value is 0 ... yet it has a nucleus , protons and neutrons ... acting together ... it destroys ...